The Super Guide to Buying a Windows PC for Photo Editing

Welcome to this SUPER guide to buying a Windows PC for photo editing that walks you through what you should and should not spend money on in a Windows PC to do photo editing.

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Over the past couple of months I have been hearing from the Improve Photography podcast listeners and readers that they want some help in choosing a Windows PC.  Not sure what is bringing on the fresh interest.  Maybe photographers are finally settling into editing all of the shots they have taken over the summer.  Maybe they have been editing all summer and things have finally slowed down enough that they can focus on getting themselves a new PC so that next year they aren't cursing all the way through their edit sessions.  Whatever the reason, I have heard it enough to spend more than 40 hours researching ALL of the options to buy a PC and produce this 20 page, 8,600 word super guide.

The guide is intended to educate photographers on the specific computer components that actually make difference for a better photo editing experience.  I tell you the things that are worth spending money on, and the things that are not.  With that information you should be able to figure out what will be best for you and your specific situation.

If you like this guide, you will love my Photo Taco podcast on the Improve Photography network.  It is a short-format, 7-10 minute podcast that comes out twice a week with deep dives into specific aspects of photography.

Mac vs. PC

This is NOT an article discussing Mac vs. PC.  I know a good portion of our audience use and LOOOOOVE Mac, and that's great.  You Mac fanboys can keep right on using your lovely Macs.  Even though there Apple just quietly updated their iMac lineup with new 6th Generation Intel SkyLake CPUs in October 2015, I am going to keep the scope of this guide to Windows computers.  Although the “Import Factors” section applies to Mac just as well as it does for Windows.  I do have some more specific Mac information in my article about why I think photographers should skip the last hardware update Apple made in the 2015 MacBook (just MacBook, not MacBook Air or MacBook Pro) and my Mac vs PC article.

Plenty has happened in the past few months in the Windows PC world that means my other articles need updating specific to the Windows side of things and here it is.  So let's dive in.

Important Factors

As you are considering buying a Windows computer, there are many choices you have to make.  Choices that as a photographer you aren't likely to really understand, which is why are you reading an article from a self proclaimed super geek like me.  So let me outline for you the things I have personally found to be most important in a computer for photo editing.  These things are very much listed in order of priority, you should spend your money first on the things in the order of this list.

1. Hard Drive

High Performance Recommendation: 256GB (or bigger) SSD
Adequate Recommendation: Hybrid drive with 8GB or more of SSD preferred, but make sure at least 7,200 RPM hard drive
Not Enough: 5,400 RPM hard drive, doesn't matter the size

If there is only one thing you take away from this guide this is it – SSD is the single most important thing you can do to make your photo editing experience good.  If you read my Mac vs. PC article, you will notice that I have changed my mind on what I think is the most important thing in a photo editing computer.  I put RAM as the most important thing to buy in that article written in the first part of 2015.  RAM is still really important at number 2 on the list, but I have now personally seen what an SSD does for a computer so many times I am convinced it the single biggest thing I would spend my money on.  If the computer you are buying has a choice between a smaller SSD and a larger magnetic drive (HDD), even a 7,200 RPM drive, I would opt for the smaller SSD.  The good thing is that as you go out to buy a computer today nearly all of the higher end computers will have an SSD, especially in a laptop computer.

If you are looking to buy a Windows laptop and SSD not only offers better performance, it also means a significant increase in battery life.  Laptop battery technology hasn't really changed much over the past 10 years, yet many current laptops are advertising between 8 and 12 hours of battery life!  Some of that has to do with the nature of the testing that allows those claims, real-world usage is likely to be less than that, but you can definitely get a lot more life out of today's laptops than you did even 3 years ago.  The operating systems have focused on doing things to help extend battery life, but one of the single biggest factors that has led to longer battery life is the SSD.  They are far more energy efficient than their older, slower, and bigger brother the HDD.  So the cost of the SSD over HDD is 1000% worth it.

You are now convinced that SSD is the way to go right?  Now you have to decide how big that SSD should be?  For a photographer I recommend nothing smaller than 256GB.  That is enough to install Windows, Photoshop, and Lightroom with enough room left over to hold 1 or 2 photo shoots before you have to move the photos off to another drive (an external drive or something better like direct attached / network attached storage).  If you can customize the computer you are ordering I would get the biggest SSD drive your budget will allow being careful to balance the other things on this list.

One thing to remember with Windows PCs is that they usually allow you to upgrade components like the hard drive and RAM without too much difficulty.  Even if you don't know how to do it yourself, I am sure there is a geek in your life that would be willing to help you out at a very reasonable cost.  So if you have to go with a 256GB SSD on the computer now and decide later that you want to put a bigger drive in your computer (or a 16TB SSD becomes something within budget), you can get that done.  Or you can buy a magnetic drive now and upgrade it to an SSD after you get it.  This is precisely what I have done to 4 of the Windows PCs in my house since early in 2015.  Replacing the slow HDD with an SSD has breathed new life into older and cheaper laptops more than I could believe.  If any of you readers are interested in a guide from me on how I have done this kind of an upgrade without losing a single byte of data, let me know in the comments or hit me up on Twitter/Facebook.

I have recently had some discussions with readers of this website and listeners of our Improve Photography Podcast about the reliability of SSD drives.  I am glad we had the discussion so that I could address it in this guide, as drive failure is a primary concern for everyone but photographers perhaps even a little more than most.  SSD drives made up of flash technology very similar to those SD cards you put into your camera, and we know they don't last forever.  Due to the way flash technology works it can only be written to a limited number of times.  Just like any hard drive, eventually the SSD will fail.  Question is do SSD drives fail faster than magnetic drives?  No, they don't!  At least they aren't likely to be any worse, but there are not guarantees on that of course.

I love the SSD endurance test that our friends over at TechReport.com did in late 2014 because they took consumer grade SSD drives to their limits on the number of writes they use and were able to show they did far better than expected or even claimed by the manufacturer of the drive.  So don't worry about the reliability of SSD being any worse than magnetic drives, but PLEASE make sure you have  backup strategy.  Check out my article on storage workflow for suggestions on a plan of attack for this.

Side Note: Briefly, while on the topic of hard drive reliability, not all magnetic drives are equal in regard to failure rates.  For some reason there are specific models within brands that fail more than others.  Not a specific brand that fails more than another, a specific model within a brand ends up struggling enough you should avoid them.  One of those is the Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB drive.  Check out the hard drive reliability reports that cloud storage provider Backblaze provides to see how the different drives they use from all the manufacturers fare. Now back to the topic.

If SSD is either too expensive, or not an option in the Windows PC you are looking at, a hybrid option is the next best thing.  Apple has been offering “Fusion” drives for a few years now in many of their computers, and there are a number of PC makers that are doing the same.  A hybrid drive is one that combines a small SSD with a much larger magnetic drive so that you get the best of both worlds in having a lot more storage (between 1 and 3TB usually) and increased performance.  In practice, it isn't nearly as good as a full SSD (especially when only 8GB), but it is better than a normal hard drive.  You can see this is an option when the PC maker calls actually calls it a “hybrid” drive, or they will put two drives together with something like “1 TB SATA 7200 RPM + 8GB SSD hybrid HDD.”

Finally, if neither SSD nor hybrid are options, then at least make sure the magnetic drive is 7,200 RPM.  If the PC has a 5,400 RPM hard drive, just walk away.  If you have spent  money on the rest of the components on this list and you have a 5,400 RPM magnetic hard drive in the machine without any kind of SSD acceleration, I promise you will be unhappy editing photos.  It isn't likely you can even order that kind of a combination, although laptops still tend to have the slower drives because they consume less power, so make sure you find out before ordering.

2. RAM (Memory)

High Performance Recommendation: 12GB to 16GB (or more)
Adequate Recommendation: 8GB
Not Enough: Anything less than 8GB

When most people use the word “memory” when talking about their phone or computer, they are talking about the amount of data you can store and that is actually the first thing I addressed in this guide.  Unless you are a geek, RAM is something not quite as visible when you are using your computer day-to-day, but you will know it when you attempt to edit photos on a computer that doesn't have enough of it.  As someone with a software development background it pains me to see how much RAM Photoshop and Lightoom gobble up, but I can tell you that it really does help to throw as much RAM as possible at those programs.

For several months now I have been doing some testing of how Windows version 8.1 compares with Windows 10 (keep your eyes out for my review on Windows 10 in the coming months right here!) and one of the things I am monitoring closely is how much RAM Photoshop and Lightroom need.  My main photo editing computer as of the writing of this article is a custom built Windows desktop PC I put together in 2013 with 32GB of RAM and my testing has shown that in just starting the applications Photoshop and Lightroom both want 1GB of RAM each.  That is before doing a single thing in them, no file open in Ps and no actions taken in Lr (other than the default catalog being opened up to where I left off).  With both programs configured to use all 32GB of RAM if they want it, after doing a 7 photo HDR merge in Photoshop the RAM jumped up to 4GB.  After doing nothing but scrolling through a few hundred photos in Lightroom, the RAM jumped up to 3GB.

Therefore, I recommend that in order to get the best performance out of both Adobe programs running you need at least 7GB of RAM just to run them and nothing else.   I recommend giving the OS 2GB of RAM, making the total 9GB.  If you add a browser running at the same time, and you know you run Chrome all day too, you need to add another 1GB.  For the very best performance of running these applications on Windows I think you need 10GB of RAM – a number that isn't found in computers today.  You usually have a choice between 8GB and 16GB, so I would choose 16GB.

If your budget doesn't allow both a 256GB SSD and 16GB of RAM, I would go 8GB of RAM and 256GB SSD instead of an HDD.  If you have to choose between 16GB of RAM or going from a 256GB SSD to a 512GB SSD, I would choose 8GB of RAM and the larger SSD.  I would choose 16GB of RAM over 1TB of of SSD, meaning I would back down to 512GB SSD and go up to 16GB of RAM.  Why do I prioritize SSD above RAM so much?  Because Windows will very easily use your SSD sort of like extra RAM when you run out of it and the SSD is so fast the penalty being paid for that is not too bad.

Another reason for this recommendation to get SSD before RAM has to do with battery life if you are investing in a Windows laptop.  The more RAM you have in the computer, the more power you need to run the computer – even if all of that RAM isn't being used.  Just turning it and letting it sit there your battery will go down faster with 16GB of RAM than it will with 8GB of RAM.  So if battery life is pretty important to you, 8GB of RAM may be the most you want to get even if your budget allows for more.

I do not recommend anything less than 8GB of RAM if you are going to be doing photo editing on a Windows laptop.  Will it work? Yes, but be ready to be watching the hourglass spin.  I suppose you might be able to having things go fairly well with only 4GB of RAM if you only run nothing else but Lightroom (including not running a browser).  But if you are will be running all 3 applications at once your computer is going to struggle with less than 8GB of RAM installed.

If you are going to do a lot of video editing, even 16GB of RAM is likely not enough and I recommend 32GB.

3. CPU

High Performance Recommendation: Intel Core-i7
Adequate Recommendation: Intel Core-i5, AMD FX
Not Enough: Intel Core-i3, Intel Celeron, Intel Pentium, AMD Phenom II, AMD Athlon II

In item 4 below, I recommend that you do not buy AMD graphics because Adobe has not done a good job supporting them in Lightroom and Photoshop.  Same goes for AMD CPUs, but not to the same degree.  Lightroom in particular absolutely struggles with AMD graphics today, but there isn't as big a difference between an Intel CPU and an AMD CPU for running Lightroom and Photoshop.  I am convinced that Adobe better supports Intel.  Adobe has optimized Lightroom and Photoshop to work best on Intel CPUs.  It is enough that I recommend Intel over AMD, but if you find some crazy deal on a computer with all the other stuff on this list and it has an AMD CPU, you may want to go for it.  If you are going to do much video editing, this recommendation changes from a slight preference of Intel over AMD to a solid Intel recommendation – Adobe Premiere Pro and After Effects are absolutely built to use Intel.

I recommend an Intel “Core-i” CPU.  You don't want to try running Lightroom or Photoshop with Intel Pentium or Intel Celeron CPUs.  Core-i3, Core-i5, and Core-i7 can all run Lightroom and Photoshop, although if the budget allows you will be happier with Core-i5 and Core-i7 than Core-i3.  I put the CPU down this far on the list because I am firmly convinced that you should spend your money on an SSD and RAM before maxing out the CPU, but I think that paying for a Core-i5 CPU is worth the money.  In fact, you can check out this awesome guide over at cpubenchmark.net to see their testing results on CPU performance to compare them while shopping.

The CPU comes into play when you start using sliders and filters in Lightroom, and when you start adding layers with masking and adjustments (among other things) in Photoshop.  Core-i3 will really start to be a bottleneck making Lightroom and Photoshop slow even with an SSD and 16GB of RAM.  If you have the budget for it, going all the way to a Core-i7 CPU will be worthwhile.  Core-i7 has a lot more power, but it will drain your battery faster.  How big is the performance difference?

Core-i5-v-Core-i7The fabulous cpubenchmark.net gives a common Core-i5 2.7GHz (i5-5257U) processor used in 2015 laptops a CPU Mark score of 4,326.  The Core i7 2.8GHz (i7-4980HQ) processor also commonly available as an upgrade in 2015 laptops gets a CPU Mark score of 10,131.  The Core-i7 is 2.3x faster than the Core-i5.  That is going to be a material difference in how fast Lightroom and Photoshop will run.  The same thing is roughly true for desktop computers.

However, if battery life is really important to you for a laptop, Core-i5 may be the most you want.  Yes, the speed difference is material, but Core-i7 will also make a material difference in how fast your battery will drain.  So you will have to make that choice.  I just want to say that I don't think you will be completely unhappy with how quickly Lightroom runs with Core-i5.

OK, so you have the information you need to decide between Core-i5 and Core-i7.  What about the difference between two different versions of the Core-i5?  Many Windows laptop makers will allow you to pay some relatively small amount to buy a little bit faster Core-i5 processor, is that something worth doing?  If it is in the budget, then maybe, but only if you have already put the SSD and RAM into the computer.  Remember, I have very specifically put CPU 3rd on this list.  I have looked at the various options being offered in 2015 for CPU upgrades, and you will get at most about 10% more CPU performance out of such an upgrade between the same line of CPU (e.g. two Core-i5).  So is 10% more CPU worth $50 or $100 extra?  Maybe.  I think I would save the money myself, but you'll have to decide how much that %10 is worth to you.

4. Graphics Processing (GPU)

High Performance Recommendation: NVIDIA GeForce 2GB (or more) VRAM
Adequate Recommendation: Intel Iris Pro or Intel HD
Not Enough: AMD Anything (not supported by Adobe well)

Coming in at 4th on the list for a photo editing computer is graphics processing.  Honestly, as of the writing of this article, Adobe is struggling to use graphics processing overall.  In fact, the current recommendation on all systems is to disable the graphics processing in Lightroom because it is just not ready.  In several releases of Lightroom in 2015 there have been significant issues with AMD graphics processing.  I expect this to change over time.  I think Adobe will get better at using graphics processing and they won't leave AMD out in the cold forever.  But that day is not today, and if NVIDIA graphics isn't available in the Windows PC you are looking to buy, DON'T buy it!  I don't care what the rest of the configuration is.  I don't care how good the price is.  Don't buy a Windows PC today with an AMD graphics card if you are going to run Lightroom and Photoshop.

OK, so NVIDIA graphics, but many Windows computers let you pick between how much “memory” is available on the graphics card.  This is memory dedicated to the CPU different from the RAM in number 2.  This is a hard one to make a recommendation.  To “future proof” your computer so that it is ready for the future you may want 2GB or 4GB of graphics memory.  But honestly neither Photoshop nor Lightroom actually uses that effectively today.  Meaning if you opt to pay for 4GB of video memory I don't think you will see any real difference between having only 1GB of video memory – and I don't see that changing soon enough for it to matter.  I think your shiny new computer will be in need of replacement before Photoshop and Lightroom reliably use video memory to increase performance.  For now I recommend having more video memory be way down on the priority list as you are spending your computer budget.

The other reason to keep the video memory smaller has to do with battery life in a Windows laptop.  Just like RAM in point number 2 above, the more video memory you have in the laptop, the faster you battery will drain.  Since Ps and Lr don't effectively use this type of memory, this is a no-brainer for a laptop, keep it low.

One last thing to say here is NVIDIA vs. Intel graphics.  Intel has built graphics processing capabilities into their CPUs (next on the list of things to consider) for many years now.  The graphics available from the CPU used to be so bad there was no way I would recommend using it, but it has improved so much that I think it is currently a very viable option.  Yes, I think a “discrete” (a separate graphics processor from what is on the CPU) NVIDIA graphics card provides better performance today, but not by so much you shouldn't consider Intel graphics.  If you are buying a Windows laptop I may even say it would be worth it because the battery is going to last longer with Intel graphics without giving up so much processing power in the current versions of Lightroom and Photoshop for it to be a serious issue.  As I mentioned already, I expect this to change as Adobe figures out graphics processing, but it may take long enough for Adobe to figure that out Intel could have enough time to develop their tech that it never ends up making a difference.  Time will tell, but my recommendation is NVIDIA for a Windows desktop computer and Intel on a Windows laptop if battery life is very important to you, NVIDIA otherwise.

Again, if you plan to edit a lot of video, both AMD and Intel is not enough.  Adobe Premiere Pro and After Effects have been using graphics processing for quite some time.  At this point both have matured their support of graphics processing much more than Lightroom and they have a clear preference for NVIDIA making it an easy choice for Windows computers to do video editing.

5. Ports

High Performance Recommendation: USB-C, Thunderbolt 1/2/3, USB 3.0, DisplayPort
Adequate Recommendation: HDMI, USB 3.0, DVI, HDMI
Not Enough: USB 2.0, USB 1.1, VGA

These are the little details that can make or break how well your Windows PC does with photo editing.  You can have all the rest of the top 4 items already listed, and if you don't have these ports you will not be happy.

USB-C is coming.  At least I hope it is.  There was a quick burst of adoption in the middle of 2015 when Apple, Google, and a few others put this next generation USB port into their products.  But it has gone quiet since then, including a surprising lack of USB-C in the latest updates to the Surface line of products from Microsoft in October 2015.  Offering faster speeds that USB 3.0 (and a connection that no longer has a right side up!) I expect to see a lot of PC makers put the new port into their 2016 models, and I think it will be very good for photographers.  In fact, if you see something that has Thunderbolt 3 support, it will actually be a USB-C connection type.  It doesn't mean every USB-C is also Thunderbolt 3, but Intel has decided that the Thunderbolt 3 connection will be the USB-C format.  So that's cool, but in 2015 I don't think you will find them in too many of the PCs you may be looking at.  If you do, it is a good bet the rest of the machine will be good enough you should get it!

Thunderbolt ports are common in Apple computers, with Thunderbolt 2 being the default in anything you would go to buy today.  Yet this is not something that is very common in Windows PCs even though Intel is the company that created it (yes, Thunderbolt is not a technology Apple created).  There are a couple PCs out there right now that not only include Thunderbolt, it is the very latest version in Thunderbolt 3!  Having this port makes it possible to use Direct Attached Storage (DAS) like from Drobo or G-Tech and connect external storage to your computer at speeds fast enough it will feel like it directly inside your PC.

USB 3.0 ports are the next closest thing to getting Thunderbolt like performance on your PC.  Although technically rated at the same speed as Thunderbolt 1, Not quite as fast in the real-world, it is so much better than USB 2.0 that you can actually edit photos on an external drive connected using USB 3.0.  This is one of the things I would recommend you consider to be absolutely critical to buying a Windows PC that is good for photo editing.  If the PC you are considering doesn't have at least 1 USB 3.0 port, walk away.

By the way, as a quick aside here, if you want to see my recommendation on how to manage your storage, check out my article about storage workflow.

Last, let's briefly talk about connecting display (monitor) to your Windows PC.  I recommend DisplayPort as being the best way to connect your PC to a display.  DVI is a close second, and then HDMI is a more distant 3rd – but still acceptable.  With 4K displays coming on (read the next section because I don't think you want it yet), DisplayPort is the only connection type with enough bandwidth to actually use them (today in 2015).  DVI-D (has to be dual link, single link has even lower resolution limits) maxes out at WQXGA (2560×1600) and can't support a 4K or higher display.  The current HDMI connection on most PCs is version 1.3 or lower and supports a max resolution of 1920×1200 (with a hack) but really maxes out at Full HD (1920×1080), which is why I listed at as the 3rd choice here.  HDMI 2.0 changes that, as the new spec maxes out at 4K, but I haven't seen any Windows computers with HDMI 2.0 built in.

Still, any of these three types of connections are good to great for photo editing.  It is only VGA that is not good enough.  If the PC you are looking at has only VGA out for connecting an external display, walk away.  Not only is that connection not good enough, it is a good indicator that the rest of the computer is going to struggle to work well editing photos.

7. Display

High Performance Recommendation: Desktop: WQXGA (2560×1600) IPS or WQHD (2560×1440) IPS, Laptop: Full HD (1920×1080) IPS
Adequate Recommendation: Full HD (1920×1080)
Not Enough: Anything smaller than Full HD (1920×1080)

 

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It seems like 4K and 5K should make photo editing MUCH better, but in reality it isn't worth the money. WQHD and WQXGA on the other hand are musts for a desktop or as an external display connected to a laptop

4K seems to be all the rage and picking up a lot of momentum, but I am going to tell you right now not to waste your money on it.  You would be much better served to spend less on a display and put it on one of the first three things on this list.  I think the 4K hype is coming based on what is going on with TVs, but seriously do not spend your money on 4K for a photo editing computer right now.  Not sure exactly why it is that the increase in resolution from WQXGA (2560×1600) or WQHD (2560×1440) to Ultra HD 4K (3840×2160),  Full 4K (4096×2304), and even 5K (5120×2880) is barely noticeable, but there is so little difference.  I promise you will be wasting your money on it right now, at least I think it will be some time before it matters on a Windows photo editing computer.

Don't believe me?  Check out Jim's video where he had people compare a 27″ iMac with the very good WQHD resolution to the 27″ 5K (5120×2880) iMac.  Nobody could tell the difference!  So the average non-photographer can't tell, but surely a professional photographer would be able to spot it you are saying.  Jim has been a professional photographer for many years and although he fully expected to see a massive difference between the two models of the iMac, he was surprised the he really couldn't.  Note: With the refresh Apple did of their iMac in October 2015 they increased the color gamut beyond sRGB to DCI-P3 and this may make it so that there is a bigger difference with 4K and 5K.

Personally I think the reason WQHD to 5K couldn't be seen too well between the two iMac computers is that neither OS X nor Adobe Lightroom / Photoshop has actually been designed to take full advantage of all those pixels.  The same is true of Windows.  In fact, it might be a little worse with Windows because Apple did at least make some tweaks to OS X in order to make the 5K iMac work whereas the high-DPI scaling has so far not been too great on Windows.  WQHD and WQXGA are very good, but those resolutions do reduce things down to looking very small.  Whatever the reason, I hope you are convinced that you don't need more than WQXGA (2560×1600) for your photo editing needs.

While I think you should not invest in 4K right now for photo editing, I have to tell you that the jump between doing photo editing on a Full HD display vs. WQHD / WQXGA is HUGE!!!!  As I stated back in that Mac vs. PC article earlier in 2015, when I upgraded from a good Asus Full HD display to one that supports WQXGA from Monoprice (which I have validated works just great with my 2015 13″ MacBook Pro) I was completely shocked at the difference.  You remember the first time you saw HD TV compared side-by-side with SD TV?  It is that big.  If you are doing photo editing on a Full HD display you really should look into upgrading things so that you can get to WQXGA, and I can very highly recommend the 30″ IPS display that does that does WQXGA and has DisplayPort/DVI-D/HDMI from Monoprice for about $560 (just don't hook it up using HDMI which will dumb it down to Full HD)!

Where are we with displays now?  Don't waste your money on 4K, but you definitely want WQXGA or WQHD.  Yep, that's it. Oh, except for laptops.  WQXGA is my strong recommendation for a desktop, which includes when you connect your laptop to an external display (which again you should try to do through DisplayPort if possible).  However, that is NOT my recommendation for when you may be doing edits on the go using only the screen built into your laptop.  For that, I don't think there is significant difference an any resolution higher than Full HD (1920×1080).  I also recommend that you don't go any lower than Full HD.  As I have been checking out Windows laptops that meet my list of requirements here, they all had at least Full HD screens, so you probably don't have to worry about it a lot.  However, there were some that had options to upgrade the screen from Full HD to 4K, and I don't think it is worth it on 13″ or 15″ laptops.

In fact, like many of the components in this guide, battery life is significantly impacted by the screen on a laptop.  The more pixels packed into the display, the more energy it is going to take to run it.  If that screen has more than Full HD not only do I not think you will be able to tell a dramatic difference on screens sizes that small, it will take more of your precious battery life.

The final thing to say about displays in general, for both desktops and laptops, is to look for the display having a specific technology called IPS (In-Plane Switching).  I won't go into detail about what it is, but it is something very much worth paying for to make your photo editing experience better.  With IPS it changes much less based on the angle you are viewing the display, making it so that things look the same if you are sitting up straight or slouching for example.  So that is something worth paying more for if you have to choose between IPS and not.

8. Other Factors

The list above are the most important factors when choosing a Windows computer today for running Photoshop and Lightroom.  There are a couple of other things to look for that may help you decide between different manufacturers, but most of these are really frosting:

  • UHS-II SD card reader
  • 6-cell battery for a laptop
  • Multi-touch display for a laptop (although I personally find touch to not be very useful in photo editing thus far)
  • Accessibility to hard drive and RAM to do an upgrade (not soldered in).  Maybe check out the PC at

9. Windows 7, 8.1, or 10?

If you have been following things on this website or on the Improve Photographer podcast you know that I have been recommending photographers hold off on upgrading to Windows 10.  The keyword there is “UPGRADING.”  If your computer did not come with Windows 10 installed on it, I recommend that photographers wait to get their free upgrade to Windows 10.  That recommendation is not because an upgrade of your current computer to Windows 10 is guaranteed to be a problem, I think it is very likely most of you could do the upgrade and have no issue.  But there are enough that have had various problems with the upgrade to avoid doing it for now.  I think Microsoft needs a little more time fixing issues to make it so that I feel comfortable saying it is time for photographers to go and get that free upgrade to Windows 10 done.  I expect that recommendation to change sometime before the end of 2015, so stay tuned.

So, what is my recommendation for photographers buying a new computer today?  Windows 10.  A computer that comes with Windows 10 installed is going to be great!  While you are investing a new computer I think you should get the latest and greatest operating system installed.  Frankly, because Windows 8/8.1 was so poorly received, PC makers are doing all they can to make sure your Windows 10 experience is great because they have had some slow down in the industry for a couple of years and can't afford to have that be bad.  Although I also don't suggest you dismiss a Windows computer because it has Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 on it.

Do I think Photoshop and Lightroom will run better in Windows 10?  No.  At least not yet.  In a year or two Adobe will likely change Photoshop and/or Lightroom to take advantage of Windows 10 so that it runs better, but for now I am guessing it almost doesn't matter which version of Windows you run from 7, to 8.1, to 10.

Did you catch that I wrote “almost” doesn't matter?  The one place it might make a difference has to do with my number 1 thing that matters on the list above – SSD.  Windows 7 was developed and released at a time when SSD drives were so expensive they weren't mainstream.  As a result, if you put an SSD in a Windows 7 computer there are some tweaks you have to do to the OS in order to make it work the best it can.  Windows 8/8.1 improved that, and Windows 10 knows when you have an SSD in the computer and sets things to work best automatically.

Bottom line, so long as the computer doesn't have Windows XP, it doesn't matter which version of Windows your new PC is running and anything you get right now will have a free upgrade to 10 should that become more meaningful.

My Recommendations

Now that I have gone over the specs and which are important to pay attention to, hopefully you are an educated shopper and can go compare things yourself.  Things are constantly changing with the different PC manufacturers, so it is more important you know what to look for than which specific Windows computer to buy.  Not only do the PC makers leap-frog each other on the hardware available in a Windows computer, but the customer service seems to go back and forth as well.  I have had good experiences with several of them, I have had bad experiences with several of them.

Given that any computer that has the hardware specs as outlined above is likely to serve you well, I do want to offer my opinion on what I would look to buy if I was ready to invest in a new Windows computer today.  So here are my thoughts as of the writing of this article for a Windows desktop computer and a Windows laptop computer.

Windows Desktop Recommendation

Unlike my opinion on laptops (see below), I think a Windows desktop is still the best way to run Photoshop and Lightroom to edit photos for the price.  You can get a very good computer to do your photo editing for about $1,000.  You can do pretty well for less than that as well, but don't expect a $300 Windwos desktop computer to do a good job with Lightroom and Photoshop.  Use my list of components above and make sure you put a little bit of money into this computer or I promise you will regret it.

If I were going to invest in a Windows desktop computer right now, I personally would do a custom build with the following components for about $1,700:

  • Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD
  • G.SKILL Ripjaw DDR3 1600 32GB (4x8GB)
  • Intel 4790k i7 Quad-Core
  • ASUS Z97-PRO Motherboard
  • ASUS GTX970 Graphics Card with 4GB memory and 1,664 CUDA cores
  • Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case
  • Corsair HX750i Power Supply
  • Noctua NH-D14 Cooler
  • Pioneer BDR-209 Internal Blu-ray Disc/DVD/CD Writer
  • Microsoft Windows 10 64-Bit Operating System
  • ASUS ThunerboltEX II PCIe Card

But that is me, and that is honestly more computer than you need to have Photoshop and Lightroom run well.  I wouldn't recommend anything less if you are going to be doing a lot of video editing (in fact, you'll need to buy a lot more storage).  I also understand that building your own computer is not for most of you reading this article.  So, I took a quick peek out at the desktop computers available from the biggest PC manufacturers, and here are some options in no particular order (only one option includes monitor).

HP ENVY Phoenix 850qe configured as follows for about $1,000 (highly configurable, can choose some different options to lower the cost):

  • Windows 10 Home 64-bit OS
  • 4th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K processor quad-core [4.0GHz, 8MB Shared Cache]
  • 16GB DDR3-1600 DIMM (2x8GB) RAM
  • 1st hard drive: 256GB SATA 2.5 TLC Solid State Drive
  • 2nd hard drive: 3TB 7200RPM SATA-6G Hard Drive
  • 2GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 [DL DVI-I, HDMI, DP, DP, DP]
  • SuperMulti DVD Burner
  • HP WLAN 802.11 b/g/n 1×1 MCard BT
  • 7-in-1 Media Card Reader, 4 USB Ports (Top), Audio [Top 2USB2.0, 2USB3.0]
  • Microsoft Office Trial
  • No Additional Security Software
  • Integrated Sound, Bang & Olufsen Audio
  • HP USB volume control Keyboard and USB Optical Mouse

Dell XPS 8900 (no SSD available, not many configuration options) configured as follows for about $1,100

  • Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
  • 6th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-6700 Processor (8M Cache, up to 4.0 GHz)
  • 16GB Dual Channel DDR4 2133MHz (8GBx2)
  • 1TB 7200 rpm Hard Drive
  • DVD-RW Drive (Reads and Writes to DVD/CD)
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 745 4GB DDR3
  • 802.11bgn + Bluetooth 4.0, 2.4GHz, 1×1
  • Integrated 7.1 with WAVE MAXXAudio Pro
  • Windows 10 DVD for upgrade

Lenovo Erazer X510 (no configuration options) for about $1,100

  • Windows 8.1 64 bit
  • 4th Generation Intel Core i7-4770K Processor (3.50GHz 1600MHz 8MB)
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 2GB
  • 16.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600 MHz
  • 2TB 7200 RPM + 8GB SSHD
  • DVD Recordable
  • Broadcom 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi wireless
  • 2 USB 3.0 SuperSpeed (one always on)
  • 6 USB 2.0
  • 7-in-1 card reader

MSI 24GE 2QE 4K-010US Signature Edition Gaming All-in-One (similar to Apple 21″ iMac) for $1,999

  • 4K UHD widescreen touchscreen (3840 x 2160), 10-finger multi-touch support
  • 16GB DDR3L 1600 MHz
  • 256GB SSD + 2TB 7200 RPM HDD
  • Windows 10 Home, 64-bit
  • Blu-ray RW
  • 3-in-1 media card reader (SD/MS/MMC)
  • Nahimic Audio
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M with 2GB dedicated memory
  • 4 USB 3.0 (2 on bottom, 2 on side, 1 with charge)
  • 2 HDMI out
  • 2MP Full HD webcam
  • 802.11ac/a/b/g/n (Miracast enabled)

ASUS M70AD-US003S Desktop for about $800:

  • 4th Gen Intel 3.4 GHz i7-4770K
  • 16 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz
  • 1 TB SATA 7200 RPM + 8GB SSD hybrid HDD
  • 2x USB 3.0 ports
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 1GB
  • Windows 8.1 (upgradable to Windows 10)
  • Blu-Ray drive
  • 802.11ac Wireless LAN
  • Bluetooth 4.0
  • 16-in-1 Card Reader
  • Built-In UPS Power Backup
  •  VGA, 1 DVI, 1 HDMI

ASUS M32AD M32AD-US019S for about $1,200

  • 3.6 GHz Intel Core i7-4790 Quad Core
  • 16GB DDR3 RAM
  • 3TB 7200 rpm HDD
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX760 with 3 GB
  • HDMI-out / VGA Outputs
  • Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Burner
  • Windows 8.1 (64-bit)
  • 2x USB 3.0
  • 6-in-1 card reader
  • 802.11ac WiFi

And if I had to buy one for myself, which of these choices would I pick?  Because of my history of buying and not liking many of the HP machines over the years I really didn't want it to be an HP, but I have to say after researching the topic for many hours the HP ENVY Phoenix 850q earns today's Author's Choice award for best Windows desktop for photo editing in October 2015.  Not only does HP offer more options to configure the computer exactly how you want it, you have the RIGHT configuration available at a very good price.

If you don't already have a monitor (consider the 30″ WQXGA IPS Monoprice monitor as a very good option for about $560), then the MSI 24GE 2QE 4K-010US all-in-one Microsoft Signature Edition would be my all-in-one choice to run Windows.

Windows Laptop Recommendation

To be perfectly honest, I have yet to use a Windows laptop for photo editing that I actually like.  Although to be fair, I haven't personally had hands-on experience with any of the laptops I am recommending below, and I have a feeling my mind would be changed by them.  Even though I have been a long-time Windows guy, in mid-2015 I finally bit the bullet and spent what I thought was an outrageous amount of money on a 2015 13″ Retina MacBook Pro, and can say that I personally have never seen a Windows laptop work this well.

laptopmag-battery-testingI don't think Mac OS X itself is all that special, but I have never personally seen a Windows laptop battery last as long as the MacBook Pro and I am loving that specific aspect of Apple's laptop computer.  I am not alone on the battery life, laptopmag.com did some real-world testing of the best laptops in 2015 and the MacBook Pro tested as having at least a 3 hour battery life advantage over the rest of the competition.

As of the date of this article, before you buy a Windows laptop, I think you should seriously consider a Mac.  Yes, it feels overpriced.  Yes, it is pretty different from Windows and takes some getting to used to if you have never used OS X.  You don't know how much it pains me to write that, but I am serious.  If you are in the market for a really good photo editing machine, go spend some time at your local Apple store checking out the MacBook Pro lineup (I think you should skip the MacBook and the MacBook Air).

OK, enough Mac love in this 100% Windows computer article.  Don't take that lead into this section of the article wrong, it is perfectly fine to use a Windows laptop to edit photos.  They are very capable machines, and I suspect that as Windows 10 and computers built specifically for Windows 10 mature Apple is going to have some serious competition on their hands.

Still, just like with the Windows desktop, you need to be prepared to spend some money here or I can pretty well guarantee you will have a bad experience editing photos.  Based on the pricing I have seen as I researched the Windows laptops that are available as of the writing of this article, you should be ready to spend $1,000-$1,700 or I really think you will regret having invested any other amount in a machine that struggles.

OK, so here are my recommendations from the big players again in no particular order:

HP Envy 13-t (limited configuration options) configured as follows for about $1,100

  • 13.3″ IPS Full HD Display (higher res available, but not worth the money)
  • Windows 10 Home 64
  • 6th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6500U Dual Core Processor
  • Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
  • 8GB Memory
  • 13.3-inch diagonal Full HD WLED-backlit IPS Display (1920×1080)
  • 256GB Flash Solid State Drive
  • 3-cell 45WHr Lithium-ion Battery
  • HP TrueVision HD Webcam with Dual Digital Microphone, Fingerprint Reader
  • 802.11b/g/n WLAN and Bluetooth(R) [1×1]
  • 3x USB 3.0, HDMI, SD card reader

HP Envy 15-t (limited configuration options) configured as follows for about $1,300

  • 15.6-inch diagonal Full HD WLED-backlit IPS Display (higher res available, but not worth the money)
  • 1TB 5400 rpm Hard Drive + 256GB Flash Solid State Drive
  • 16GB DDR3
  • Intel 802.11ac WLAN and Bluetooth(R) [1×1]
  • Windows 10 Home 64
  • HP TrueVision HD Webcam with Dual Digital Microphone, Fingerprint Reader
  • 3-cell 55.5WHr Lithium-ion Battery
  • SuperMulti DVD burner
  • 6th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6500U Dual Core Processor
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950M 4GB Discrete Graphics
  • 4x USB 3.0 (1 HP USB Boost), 1 HDMI, 1 SD Card reader

HP Spectre x360 – 13-4110dx (no configuration options) for about $1,000

  • 6th Generation Intel Core i5-6200U (2.3 GHz, 3 MB cache, 2 cores)
  • Intel HD Graphics 520
  • 13.3″ diagonal FHD IPS Radiance Infinity LED-backlit touch screen (1920 x 1080)
  • 8 GB DDR3L SDRAM (1 x 8 GB
  • 256 GB mSATA SSD
  • Intel 802.11ac (2×2) and Bluetooth® 4.0 Combo
  • 3-cell, 56 Wh Li-ion polymer
  • 3 USB 3.0; 1 Mini DisplayPort; 1 HDMI
  • Claim up to 12 hours of battery life!

Dell XPS 13 Non-Touch (touch is about $500 more and not worth it to me) for about $1,200

  • Windows 10 64bit
  • 6th Generation Intel Core i5-6200U (3M Cache, up to 2.8 GHz)
  • 8GB DDR3L 1866MHz
  • PCIe 256GB SSD
  • Intel HD Graphics 520
  • 802.11ac 2.4/5GHz WiFi
  • Bluetooth4.1
  • 56wHR, 4-Cell Battery
  • 2x USB 3.0
  • SD card reader (SD, SDHC, SDXC)
  • 1x Thunderbolt 3 (yes! a Windows laptop with Thunderbolt 3)

Dell XPS 15 Non-Touch (Touch not available in this model) for about $1,200

  • Windows 10 64bit
  • 6th Generation Intel Core i5-6300HQ Quad Core (6M Cache, up to 3.2 GHz)
  • 8GB (2x4GB) 2133Mhz DDR4 Memory
  • 1TB 5400RPM Hard Drive + 32GB Solid State Drive
  • NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 960M with 2GB GDDR5
  • 15.6″ FHD (1920 x 1080) InfinityEdge (4K display available for $450 I don't think is worth it)
  • 802.11ac 2.4/5GHz + Bluetooth 4.1
  • HDMI
  • 1x USB 3.0
  • SD card reader (SD, SDHC, SDXC)
  • 1x Thunderbolt 3 (again, a Thunderbolt 3 port on a Windows laptop!)

ASUS UX501JW-DH71T(WX) Zenbook Pro 15.6″ for about $1600

  • Intel Core i7 4720HQ Processor
  • Windows 10 64bit
  • 16GB DDR3L 1600 MHz SDRAM
  • 15.6″ IPS UHD 4K Multi-Touch (3840 x 2160 that I think is wasted in a 15″ screen, but no other option)
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M with 2G GDDR5 VRAM
  • PCIE 512GB SSD hard drive
  • 2 -in-1 card reader ( SD/ SDXC)
  • Dual-band 802.11ac
  • Bluetooth V4.0
  • 3x USB 3.0 port
  • 1x HDMI
  • 1x mini Display Port
  • 1x Thunderbolt 2 Port

Acer Aspire V15 Nitro Black Edition for about $1,500

  • Windows 8.1 64bit
  • 4th Generation Intel Core i7-4710HQ 2.6 GHz
  • 16 GB DDR3 RAM
  • 1 TB 5400 rpm Hard Drive, 256 GB Solid-State Drive
  • 15.6″ Ultra HD 4K screen
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4GB VRAM
  • SD card reader
  • 802.11ac WiFi
  • HDMI
  • 3x USB 3.0 ports
  • 3-cell 4605 mAh battery

Lenovo Y50-70 configured as follows for about $1,100

  • 4th Generation Intel Core i7-4720HQ Processor (2.60GHz 1600MHz 6MB)
  • Windows 8.1 64bit
  • 16GB PC3-12800 DDR3L SDRAM 1600 MHz
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4GB
  • 15.6″ FHD (1920 x 1080) display
  • 512GB SSD
  • Bluetooth 4.0
  • WiFi: Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3160
  • 2x USB 3.0
  • HDMI
  • 4-in-1 (SD / MMC / SDXC / SDHC) card reader
  • 4-cell battery (5 hours of WiFi browsing)

If I had to choose a laptop to do photo editing today, I would choose the 13″ Retina MacBook Pro because the battery life is AMAZING yet still has good performance in Lightroom and Photoshop.  But this is an article on Windows laptops, so of those listed above I would choose the Dell XPS 13 Non-Touch laptop.  I wish it were a bit more customizable.  I think I would add 8GB more RAM (you probably can after you get it) to get to 16, and am slightly nervous with the Intel graphics, but not so much that it doesn't get my Author's Choice award for best Windows laptop for photo editing in October 2015.  Really it is the Thunderbolt 3 port that has me most intrigued with the Dell models.  Many of the other options have more horsepower than the Dell, but their battery life is rated MUCH worse for them.  The Dell XPS 13 also has that Thunderbolt 3 port so that you can attach external storage at crazy high speeds.

If you plan to do a lot of photo editing on the road, a 13″ screen is pretty small to work on.  I don't find it to be good enough for anything but very minor editing, so you'll have to decide for yourself if battery life or another 2″ of screen real-estate is your preference and then I would go with the Dell XPS 15.

Lastly, the HP Spectre looks to me like something very close to a MBP, including the battery life.  If it had a Thunderbolt port I would have given it the Author's Choice award.  But that is a machine I would love to get my hands on to test out and see how it handles Lightroom and Photoshop and how the battery lasts doing so.

What about Microsoft Surface?

If you watch Windows devices much, you may be wondering why no Microsoft Surface device made my list of recommended hardware for the Windows laptop.  After all, the two devices in the graphic at the top of this article are the new Surface devices Microsoft recently announced in October 2015.  There are three reasons a Surface device didn't make my recommended list:

  1. The Surface is more of a 2-in-1 tablet and desktop than it is a laptop, yet not powerful enough to really compete with the desktops listed in this article
  2. It is too expensive for the hardware you get.  A Surface Pro 4 with 256GB SDD/16GB RAM/6th Gen Intel Core-i5 is $1,500.  Going down to 8GB RAM only drops it to $1,300, and you get a TINY 12.3″ screen.  The Surface Book is more compelling with a 256GB SSD/16GB RAM/6th Gen Intel Core-i5/NVIDIA graphics but it costs a whopping $1,900!  Fully loaded it is nearly $3,000.  Man, I thought Apple devices were spendy.
  3. The latest revision of the devices are not yet available as of the date of this article and I really would want to get some hands-on time running Ligthroom and Photoshop to see how they do

That said, the Surface Pro 4 and the Surface Book that Microsoft announced in early October 2015 look VERY good.  I am not sure I am quite sold on them yet as being something that would be my recommendation for photo editing, but I really expect that if not this release of the product line that by the 5th revision they will be something that can no longer be ignored for serious photo editing.  The specs of the Surface Book in particular are incredible (except for the lack of a USB-C port that I can't understand) and I would love to get my hands on one to take for a test-drive with Lightroom and Photoshop.  I think there is a very good chance it will be extremely nice for photo editing, although if the price doesn't go down the cheapskate in me may never allow me to give it my Author's Choice award.

If you'd like to hear more of my thoughts specifically on these two newly announced Surface devices, including my geeking out over the specs in detail, check out this Photo Taco episode.


About the Author

Jeff Harmon is a hobbyist photographer living in Herriman, Utah.  He has more than 20 years of professional IT experience, most recently as an Information Security professional by day.  He does his best to juggle his photography addiction with family, church, and other activities that keep him pretty busy.  Be sure to check out his Photo Taco podcast for bite-sized tricks and tips twice a week.  You can check out his portfolio at http://jhpics.zenfolio.com.  You can also follow him on Twitter and Instagram.


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Comments

  1. I’m a little surprised your recommend the Nvidia GeForce over Quadro. The latter is found in workstation-oriented notebooks and actually more efficient to run for Adobe or FCP in power terms. Independent Service Vendor certification for components and systems is what sets apart a workstation from a gaming laptop and means Adobe have been through the system design & build and are happy that the processors is set up right etc. Most workstation laptops are heavy cumbersome things with bad battery life but there are lighter ones that are very competitive with Apple. The Dell Precision 3800 is a good example. 1.88kg, under $2k, lots of options and Quadro graphics, it will blaze through 42mp files. Not a backpackers pc or one for holidays but good for desktop replacement or tethered shooing on set.

    Also on 4k, a lot of people are shooting video as well and its a useful feature in that respect.

    1. Author

      @Ronan,

      Thanks for reading the guide and providing some feedback! I truly appreciate the time you spent to comment here and I think at some point soon I’ll update the guide to include why it is did not recommend Quadro and it has to do with the price to performance improvements. The Qaudro is vastly superior but Adobe Lightroom in particular is not currently capable of leveraging that power. The current recommendation from Improve Photograhy to improve the performance of Lightroom is to disable Graphics Acceleration because it is so poorly implemented. Certainly not the case with Adobe’s video editing tools, but with photo editing tools I do not think it is worth spending money on NVIDIA Quadro.

      The Dell Precision M3800 desktop replacement laptops are also REALLY good machines. If my article was a guide for video editing, they would have been very high on my list, but for photo editing I don’t think you would see a noticeable difference between the M3800 and many of the choices in the guide. I do expect that to change over time as Adobe better taps into both the GPU and multi-threading on the CPU, but for now I think there is such a marginal difference between a $1,000 system and the $2,000 M3800 so to not be worth the expense for still photo editing

      Finally, I tried very hard through the guide to make it clear that video editing would be very different. If you do video, especially if you do 4K video, the priorities and recommendations would be pretty different.

  2. Great article!

    On the CPU side, I can fully agree on your recommendations. However, one thing to consider is WHICH Core-i7 processor to get – something I have struggled a bit with.

    All the Intel Core-i7 processors, which is called something with U (5600U, 6500U etc) are dual-core but uses MUCH less power that their quad-core processors (called something like 4710HQ etc).

    This can make a huge difference in performance, quad-core is faster as there are 4 processors in one instead of dual-core which have 2 (this is of course unreasonable simplified).

    However it makes probably an even greater difference in battery life as the quad-core uses much more power than the dual-core. The dual-core laptops are further, usually, smaller, lighter and have a smaller power adapter where the quad-core are heavy bulky beasts – but with superior performance.

    1. Author

      @Hans-Henrik,

      100% correct. Perhaps another good thing I should update in the guide with this specific information. The problem is there isn’t a generic comparison to make. Yes, Intel Core-i7 HQ CPUs offer significantly more parallel processing capabilities and therefore can get up to 2x as much performance for some types of tasks than the Core-i7 U CPUs. However, in general neither Photoshop nor Lightroom really take full advantage of that type of processing based on my experience with them. At some point that will change, but for now I don’t think it is worth spending the extra money on them especially when you pay such a price on battery life with the HQ CPUs using between 2x and 3x more power.

      One interesting thing as I did some comparisons was to see that a newer release of the U CPU went down in performance from 2014 to early 2015. There are also significant savings in battery life between the two, but that is information I think people would need to consider themselves by doing a comparsion. Here is one such comparison:

      http://cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=2543&cmp%5B%5D=2345&cmp%5B%5D=2470

      Again, thanks for the help and support!

  3. Timely and informative. Thank you! One question about SSD drive set-up: I’ve read some opinions that the SSD should be used as a scratch disk. Can you enlighten me on the topic of scratch disks? How vital is having one? And should it be separate from the main SSD?

    1. Author

      @Kelly,

      Both Lightroom and Photoshop do user hard drive space as a “scratch” disk. You can configure this as a setting in Photoshop but for Lightroom it is all written where your catalog is located. Having this located on an SSD drive will speed things up significantly, but because of the way SSD drives work it really doesn’t make much difference if you have this information stored on a different SSD from where Windows and the other programs are stored. So a single SSD drive is fine from a performance perspective. It is the size of the SSD drive that very quickly becomes a problem.

      I recommend you keep your Lightroom catalog on your SSD, then use Lightroom to manager where your photos are stored. Start out just after doing a shoot having the photos also on the SSD and when you are done with them (maybe right after delivering them to the client) use the Lightroom Library module to move them to another drive like and external drive or a network drive.

      Check out my storage workflow article for more tips about how to use hard drives with photo editing:

      http://improvephotography.com/33562/how-to-manage-storage-storage-workflow/

  4. Great article! It is nice to see someone make some solid recommendations and explain why. Usually you only see wishy-washy generalities.

    In relation to your comments on Nvidia vs. AMD graphics cards, I am getting ready to upgrade to a MacBook Pro. I was going to just order the $2499. version but notice that comes with an AMD graphics card. I could custom order one with the same specs minus the AMD which would use the Intel Iris Pro built in graphics. What are your thoughts?

    1. Author

      @Timothy,

      It is harder to say how things are going to go on the Mac side of things. Apple put AMD graphics cards into their revamped Mac Pro power house desktop computers and I have not read about any issues there, so I am guessing you are going to be setup OK with them in Apple computers. It was maddening to me that the expensive HP laptop I bought in 2013 that had the EXACT SAME graphics card as some Mac computers that year weren’t supported by Adobe on Windows but worked fine on Mac. So my recommendation is very specific to Windows here, avoid AMD graphics at all cost right now, but I don’t think you have to worry about it nearly as much with Mac.

  5. Hi, thanks for this guide..! This is quite timely for me as I am looking at getting a custom desktop made. If you have time I have a few questions..
    In your opinion do you think the new 6th generation i7 processors are worth the extra money over the 4th gen? I’m thinking mainly for the new faster DDR4 RAM, does this make a difference for our needs?
    Also in terms of SSD, should I get a SATA type or a M.2 SSD?

    These are probably quite minor decisions, you have highlighted the main areas well..!
    Thanks

    1. Author

      @Stewart,

      Intel SkyLake CPUs are new enough we don’t have very good information about how they perform compared to Broadwell in the real world. We know one of the primary objectives Intel had with the 6th Generation CPUs was reducing the power consumption without making them slower. In early tests it seems that the performance is pretty comparable but not quite as good as previous 5th Generation. We need more time to see how they do with things, but for now I would say it isn’t something to worry about. If the PC has 6th gen, fine. If it is 5th gen, that’s good too.

      The faster RAM is good too, of course. But I don’t think that it will really make a big enough difference to pay extra for it.

      M.2 on the other hand, now I expect that to be extremely significant! I don’t know it is worth spending money on presently because it is quite a bit more than SATA connected drives. But I think by the time I update this guide in 2016 M.2 will be my recommendation.

  6. Just a few weeks ago upgraded the majority of the components in my computer. I used to be a fairly heavy gamer so always had reasonably high end custom built pc’s, but in recent years haven’t been upgrading nearly as frequently. My last upgrade was the i7 2600k (Sandy Bridge) a few years ago, so the new Skylake platform is a pretty solid upgrade.

    What I went with:
    i7-6700k Skylake
    512GB Samsung 850 Pro SSD
    32GB PC4 24000 Ram
    A couple 2TB standard surveillance grade drives (I use a ton of internal storage for things beyond just photo’s)
    Gigabyte G1 GA0Z170x-Gaming motherboard
    Windows 10

    I was previously using a 256GB SSD and am still using it as a working drive, but my primary OS and applications are on the new 512. I considered going with the M.2 SSD style drives since the performance tends to be a bit better, but opted not to. Maybe I should have though since budget wasn’t to much of a concern. I used my existing case, psu and graphics card, which happens to be an AMD card. I haven’t had a recent Nvidia card to compare performance to, but that’ll be next on my list.

    Along with the above components I did pick up a Dell 4k monitor and I agree that the difference between a 1080 and 4k is HUGE.

    Running a few weeks now and things have been awesome and very fast. Very happy overall. Not including Windows or the monitor, the components set me back $1135. If you’re piecing together your computer, be patient as there are great sales all the time on SSD’s, RAM etc…

    Great article with some good real world information in there and not just complete benchmarks which are good in their own right, but are often not a good indication of actual performance in real world settings.

  7. Jeff, I am going a little off topic here but I would be seriously interested in a computer geek / programming podcast or even blog from you! It is hard to find good, consistent, and interesting information and you seem to consistently deliver those things on the topics of technology. I know all of this is photography focused but I am just guessing that you would have great information to offer even beyond the scope of photography. Either way, thank you for all the hard work you put into this guide, it is great!

    Also, I would like to say in general the entire Improve Photography Network and website is extremely impressive to me with it’s consistent quality. I feel that everyone involved with the site and podcast put a lot of work into delivering the best possible information and resources :] I have learned so much from listening / reading and it is fun too. Thanks!

  8. If you REALLY don’t want to change operating systems, but want the very best laptop (especially for battery life), should one get a MacBook Pro and use boot camp to access Win 7?

    Does this option decrease performance?

    1. Author

      @rich,

      If you really want to stick with Windows, I wouldn’t buy a Mac and run Boot Camp. Especially not if battery life is your primary concern. You see Apple put a lot of engineering into OS X to help with the battery life, and if you run Windows on a Mac you won’t gain that benefit, so battery life will not be the same. I recommend you consider the HP Spectre x360 I have as a top recommendation for a Windows laptop in the article. HP claims 12 hours of battery in the device, and even if it comes in at a few hours less than that, it would be comparable to a MacBook Pro at that point. I don’t have hands-on experience with the HP Spectre line, but on paper it looks excellent.

      Good luck!

  9. He, would you buy a Intel 750 Series SSD 400 gb for 2.200MB/s read speeds or go for a Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB (SSD) 540MB/s and save 200,- ?

    I use 70% light-room 10% photo-shop 10% Premiere 10% gaming of my time? I want the fastest response rate when previewing images, thats my bottelneck right now on my laptop, takes me forever to load the pictures and there stored on a usb 2 external drive.

    I have 1000 to 5000 shots to go trough each shoot and last year I produced 3 TB of data (2TB photo 1 TB video). ( I shoot a lot of action fire shots with natural light https://www.facebook.com/patrickvanbaarle/media_set?set=a.10206662569790611.1073741876.1464142538&type=3)

    This is my current pc set up that I wish to buy.

    Its a overclocked 5930K / 4,2GHz, with 32GB, MSI X99A GAMING 7 (A has 2 x USB 3.1 ports) with either a Intel 750 Series SSD 400 gb or a cheaper Samsung 850 EVO SSD + 2x 4tb SSHD.

    http://www.arcticsecrets.nl/game-pc-configurator-intel-x99?values=34881x1_13660x1_19559x1_13674x1_19569x1_24836x1_25089x1_23049x1_24841x1_22369x1_22385x1_22199x1_24695x1_22417x1_22603x1_36447x1_31969x1_22207x1_22208x1_22209x1_22210x1_38287x1_22493x1_22213x1_22215x1_22216x1_22217x1_22525x1_22913x1_22909x1_22526x1_22527x1_23708x1_23706x1_22221x1_22222x1_22223x1_38516x1_22224x1_22225x1_23177x1_22227x1_38304x1_22599x1

    Bottle neck is going to be storage in a couple of years this setup would already insufficient. What would be a relatively cheap way of getting these things backed up but main file still usable. Nas, Das or blue rays? What motherboard would you pick for future proof connectivity? Do I need to have more PCI lanes free to add in PCI to data storage solutions? add a thunderbolt?

    Long story short: What are the bottle necks in my current set up, should I invest more? and if so where? Also I am still wondering how I can store large amount of files over lets say 5 to 10 to even 20 years from now and still have access to them at speeds reasonable enough to edit them so I can still do minor changes (because software and personal taste improves over time).

    Thank you for your time and effort I already have learned a lot!

  10. What would have to be added/changed to make it possible to edit some video also? Just the short clips/ kids playing type of thing say 3-5 minutes?
    Thanks!

  11. The HP ENVY Phoenix 850qe went up in price significantly in the one month since you wrote this. Does that make you want to change your mind on your Author’s Choice Award?

  12. Many thanks for your very readable information….especially for the not so tech savvy person like myself I have learned so much from cruising around your site and reading your articles.

    I am a serious photog hobbiest who travels to workshops, international for landscape and wildlife plus diving. I need something I can take along but I also want this to function as my only computer…A lot, I know. I also want to be able to hook up that 30″ IPS external monitor from Monoprice you recommend (hope they are giving you a commission at this point) when I am home to do the bulk of my post. Now I am really dreaming?? I am looking at one of the Alienware laptops that can tweak (wishing they didn’t trick it out to look as it does…oh well) and here is what I came up with:

    Intel® Core™ i7-6700HQ (Quad-Core, 6MB Cache, up to 3.5GHz w/ Turbo Boost)
    Windows 10 Home
    16GB Dual Channel DDR4 at 2133MHz (8GBx2)
    512GB PCIe SSD (Boot) + 1TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s (Storage)
    NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 970M with 3GB GDDR
    17.3 inch FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS-Panel Anti-Glare 300-nits Display Included in Price
    Dell Recommended
    17.3 inch UHD (3840 x 2160) IGZO IPS Anti-Glare 400-nits Display $250 upgrade
    1535 802.11ac 2×2 WiFi and Bluetooth 4.1

    Ports:
    (1x) Power/DC-in Jack
    (1x) Killer E2400 Gigabit Ethernet IPV6
    (3x) SuperSpeed USB 3.0 Ports
    (1x) Thunderbolt™ 3 Port (USB Type-C™ with support for SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps, 40Gbps Thunderbolt, and DisplayPort)
    (1x) Alienware Graphics Amplifier Port
    (1x) HDMI 2.0 Output
    (1x) 3-in-1 Media Card Reader
    (1x) Audio Out 1/8″ Ports (Compatible with inline mic headset)
    (1x) Headphone 1/8″ Port (retaskable for Microphone/Line-In analog audio input)
    (1x) Noble Lock port (cable and lock sold separately)

    I know this has a whole bunch of stuff on it I don’t need and could disable??… Maybe this is what it takes to get a laptop with the Thunderbolt 3 Port “and display port,”. Is that display port mentioned capable of supporting the 30″ monitor I want to use at home? Apparently, the HDMI -2 would dumb it down. Sigh. Is there a laptop capable of utilizing that monitor if not this one?
    And finally, would you spend the extra $250 on the UHD (3840 x 2160) IGZO IPS Anti-Glare 400-nits Display?

    Many thanks for your consideration and answers!

  13. Jeff, Interesting read.

    Do you know anyone who is using Intel Xeon E5 CPU’s for still and video editing? I use them at work and a 6-core 3.5 GHZ. Since th built in GPU of the i7 appears not to be useful and you need an external graphics card. It also sounds like a Nvidia 4000x would be over kill since as Photo Shop would under utilize them. What about for 4K video editing. I have a Panasonic GH4 and am starting to get interested in video.

  14. Awesome post, Jeff! I’m curious if specs you recommended here would apply to Mac as well, generally speaking. I’m in the market for a new iMac and because of the premium price tag, I don’t want to buy more than I need.

  15. I recently purchased a Dell XPS15 for photo editing. The computer is very powerful and has a beautiful 4K display but the display is grossly over saturated which makes it unusable for photo editing. I have tried to get support from Dell Tech Support(what was I thinking?), posted in the Dell Forum and posted in several photo groups. So far, no luck in getting the display configured. I’ve changed the display setting to Adobe RBG from the standard “vibrant” but that did not make a difference in the saturation. I purchased this computer because it is highly rated for photo editing so I’m sure this problem can be solved. Can anyone in this discussion advise me on how to configure the display settings for natural saturation? Thanks!

    1. Author

      I hope that if your calibrate the screen it will be better. I use the XRite ColorMunki Display to do that, others on the IP Team like the Spyder 4.

  16. I now have the Dell XPS 8900 with 256 SSD & 2TB HD and Windows 10. Wow, super fast processing in LR and PS. I had no idea what I was missing!! Thank you for all your tips. My only complaint is Windows 10 (prior Windows 7 user). My biggest hurdle was figuring out Onedrive and how to unsync it. It just made a huge mess of my photo folder structure. Sending files to the cloud and not giving the option to save them to the PC is just crazy. I still don’t have it all figured out and may have to dump everything and start from the beginning. There are lots of instructions on the web on how to uninstall Onedrive, so I know I am not the only one that dislikes this feature. Any insight Jeff?? I’m almost wishing I went with a Mac. Almost.

    1. Author

      @Linda,

      You are right, Onedrive is still very much a work in progress. I have turned it off like you. In fact, I don’t log into my Windows 10 computer with a Microsoft account, but you have to know what you are doing to make that work because Microsoft really wants you to use a Microsoft account.

  17. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Would the following laptop be able to efficiently run office (word, excel, publisher) as well as light room. I have limited knowledge on what’s inside the box but more proficient and self taught on software and use side of things.

    hp envy x360 2 in 1
    6 generation Intel core i5 6200u processor (2.3 ghz)
    1tb hard drive
    12288mb ddr3 scram
    Windows 10
    Touchscreen, multi touch enabled
    15.6 diagonal full had led ips display

    I am limited to purchasing at Costco (gift card). If possible, Can you please provide a recommendation for a laptop or desktop, I have no preference.

    My main use is hobby level photography, scanning a large amount of family photos and if possible, light movie making for family videos and (recommendation on software for video movie making for Windows).

    Thank you for your guidance and time.

  18. I have a quick question – In your opinion – what would a better “buy” be – the HP ENVY Phoenix 850qe configured as you suggest, or the Apple – 27″ iMac® with Retina 5K display – Intel Core i5 (3.3GHz) – 8GB Memory – 2TB Fusion Drive? Once I add the benq monitor to the HP the price (~ $2,000) is still appx $300 cheaper than the iMac ($2,300). I am not sure which way to go. Does the HP have better perf/capability w/ lower price? Thanks so much. Terrific post!

      1. Author

        @Jim,

        It is probably more your preference between the two. If your are more comfortable with Mac, then iMac. More comfortable with Windows, the HP. The HP is more powerful, but you would be very happy with either option for sure.

  19. Great article!

    I recently went through the upgrade dilemma of what to purchase next for more speed and size. I recently had a 2010 MacBook Pro for the past 6 years that was good to me, but it decided to finally croak. I did have my issues with it though and had the motherboard replaced years ago under warranty. The hard drive croaked a couple times too. A month ago, the hard drive quit again and got the grey screen. I was going to upgrade to SSD’s and while trying to get it to get it into boot mode, it died for good.

    I took it to the Mac store just to inspect what I needed for parts, and they said the motherboard had water damage. It has never seen any water, but they do sweat under heavy use on damp days. I was happy it lasted 6 year with only a few issues. I put it through a lot of heavy use.

    Just remember if you are editing for long periods, laptops heat up a lot causing early failure. If you can get by getting a bigger system, then I advise going that route. MacBook’s do cost a lot more than a budget windows laptop, but you do get what you pay for. A similar windows laptop with top parts will cost the same if not more. So, getting a MacBook pro is a smarter choice for a laptop. Great hardware, great screen, along with great warranty.

    So in my journey of deciding of what I wanted, I decided on a 5k IMac built to max spec except for the ram which is easy to do myself at a much cheaper price. Before going back to Apple again, I decided to go through Craigslist and see what was available. I then stumbled upon someone who built a pc for a one time video job and decided to sell it after the job was completed.

    Intel 4690k with 212 Evo cooler
    Asus A97
    Geoforce 970 4GB
    16GB Crucial ram
    27″ Samsung curved display
    1 TB SSD
    Other goodies too.

    I bought if for a good price ($1000) and I’m happy I decided to look at other options. This computer boots in under 10 seconds, flies through LR. Exporting takes 1 second, merging HDR files take 5 seconds, program opens 3 seconds. PS is so fast now too.

    I never thought I would switch from Mac, but a custom built pc is the way to go. I honestly started learning how to build them and am planning on building one myself for fun. The I7 5960X is calling my name. 🙂

    If you know someone who builds computers then I would highly suggest that as an option. There are also builders out there who do it for fun and cheap. Having great parts in a bigger cabinet with more cooling options are the best route to go for longevity. Swapping parts down the road is easy to change also. Lots of videos online.

    Remember, once you are in LR/PS it all looks and works the same on either system. Get a good wireless mouse with back/front buttons too for web browsing. I thought I would miss the gestures of going to the previous pages in web browsing, but this mouse (M-510) is amazing with its back page button and comfort. So far, windows 10 has been great to me.

  20. Wondering has anybody gotten CUDA / graphics processor to work via the the new Thunderbolt 3 connector?

    Rather than try to explain it will use Razor Stealth Laptop with Thunder Bolt 3 Core Product as example.

    http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-stealth

    A gaming machine but share a lot of attributes of of photo editing.

    As the article mentions “discrete graphics” on a lap top can be difficult. Getting Intel on processor GPU to work with Nvidia GPU via Optimus for CUDA has been a headache from the beginning.

    1. Author

      @JB,

      I hope that before 2016 is over Adobe updates Lightroom so that graphics card acceleration will really make a difference. As it is right now in Feb 2016 and Lr CC 2015.3 is the latest version, the graphics card acceleration does not improve the performance of the application. In fact, it makes it worst in most cases.

      This technology to attach a graphics card through a Thunderbolt 3 connection looks very promising, but it is also early on it and I would be concerned that there are going to be some growing pains there. Given neither Lightroom not Photoshop does a great job using graphics cards (Premiere Pro and After Effects do much better with it) I wouldn’t go that direction right now. Certainly something I will be keeping an eye on.

  21. Gee you’re big help. Halfway through a review on best laptops for photo editing you say the best thing you can do is buy a MacBook Pro. I give up….

  22. What a great article! Really appreciate the time spent in including all the great details. I’m sure this will be very helpful as I’m looking to replace an older desktop now and really want something that will handle photos in LR better.

  23. I’d like to hear more about the Intel i5 vs i7 architecture in LR and PS. The CPU Mark single threaded benchmark, which you don’t quote, gives a slight edge to the i7 but it’s very small and is probably due to the i7 having a slightly higher clock speed. My understanding is that few operations in LR or PS take advantage of multi-threading. Assuming similar clock speeds and the same generation CPU, does the i7 really provide a significant performance boost over the i5 when using LR or PS? Your benchmark reference would say double the performance, but I think the benchmark only applies to applications that are multi-threaded.

  24. Has anyone looked at the P40 from Lenovo? I love the idea of having a digitizer pen on a powerful laptop.

  25. This is exactly the information I was needing & hoping to find on the web! Thanks for taking the time to write it and explain the “why” behind your recommendations! It confirmed a few things I already thought and also helped to prioritize the specs I need & where I might be willing to compromise. Nearly anything is going to be an improvement after limping along on an old laptop with 4 GB RAM and USB 2.0 connections… surprised it hasn’t started smoking yet when running LR & Photomatix. : )

    1. Just when I thought I knew enough to make a decision… : )

      How much difference is there between different SSDs of the same capacity? Is it worth the trade off in capacity to get a “high performance SSD” with the PCIe interface as opposed on one that isn’t high performance or uses a SATA interface? I have a lot of content other than photography work so want the largest amount of storage I can get (do have budget constraints), but don’t want to trade performance. For example, the choices on Dell:

      High Performance PCIe Solid State Drive
      256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe High Performance Solid State Drive [Included in Price]
      512GB M.2 PCIe NVMe High Performance Solid State Drive [add $201.79]

      PCIe Solid State Drive
      512GB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive [add $137.59]
      1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive [add $642.04]

      Opal Self Encrypting Drive
      512GB M.2 SATA SED with FIPS Solid State Drive [add $128.41]
      512GB 2.5 inch OPAL SED with FIPS Solid State Drive [add $128.41]

      High Performance SATA Solid State Drive
      512GB 2.5 inch High Performance SATA Solid State Drive [add $183.45]
      1TB 2.5 inch High Performance SATA Solid State Drive [add $568.67]

      SATA Solid State Drive
      Intel 360GB 2.5 inch SATA Solid State Drive [add $64.21]
      512GB 2.5 inch SATA Solid State Drive [add $110.07]

      Thanks for any guidance you can provide!

  26. I really really want a laptop with a great digitizer so that I can use a stylus for editing but also for other creative programs. However, I want a powerful, quad core desktop replacement kind of machine, not a tablet. I looked at the Lenovo P40 but the reviews are not great. Is there anything else out there that would work? Why are the manufacturers not stepping up by making this kind of unit?

    Reply

  27. Great article, it actually helps me clarify all issues when looking for a laptop for photo editing while I’m travel.

  28. Hi Jeff,

    Thanks a lot for the article,

    At the end of the article you don’t elaborate much on the Surface products since they were just announced at the time you wrote it. I was therefore wondering if you have any opinion on them today, as that they’ve now been released for some time ?

    Thanks in advance !

  29. First of all: fantastic article!
    I might need some advice, though:
    I’m thinking about buying a thinkpad T460s with a WQHD panel (since this is the only thinkpad-display with a reasonable color gammut). It’s got an i5 6200U and an Intel HD Graphics 520. As I understand, you’d think this config is about okay to do some photoshopping.
    Thing is: I’ve got a 24mp camera, which I believe is quite a lot, even by todays standards. Is there a general rule on how powerrequirement is affected by picture-size? Do you think this laptop will still suffice?

  30. is this configuration right choice for photoshop, illustrator and indesign?

    Core i5 4460 Quad Core up to 3.4 GHz
    8GB DDR3-16000 RAM (4+4) , motherboard support up to 16GB
    500GB 7200rpm
    Asus strix GTX 750 Ti 4GB GDDR5 128-bit
    Acer K242HYL 24″ Full HD IPS

  31. Hi Jeff,

    Thanks a lot for your detailed view on this matter. I had a 13″ MacBook Air (fastest one I could buy about 2.5 years ago), but recently accidentally spilt some cola over the keyboard, which means it deceased…

    I am looking to get a new windows laptop now, as I prefer WIN over Mac any day!
    I was looking at two laptops : XPS 15 – i7-6700HQ Quad core (6M cache, up to 3.5GHz) with the 15.6″ 4K Ultra HD InfinityEdge Touch, 16 GB DDR4 RAM, 512 GB PCIe SSD, Nvidia GeForce GTX 960M with 2GB GDDR5
    Or the Dell Precision 5000 15 inch (5510) – i7-6820HQ (Quad core 2.70 GHZ, 3.60 GHz Turbo, 8MB with intel HD530 graphics card, with Nvidia Quadro M1000M with 2 GB GDDR5 and the 15.6 inch UltraSharp Ultra HD IGZO screen with Touch, 16 GB RAM and an SSD HDD (M.2), to be able to fit the extra large, 84W/h battery.

    The main reason for considering the laptops above, where the fact that they have dedicated GPU’s. But if I understand correctly, I don’t really need that? A 13 inch (my old MacBook Air), was a great screen size to edit my pictures on the go, although it was too slow for my liking. I usually edit my pictures to 90/95% on the road and on the airplane, and then use my home PC to get them all to 100% (Intel Core i7-4930K CPU @3.40GHz, 32GB RAM, SSD HDD and an Nvidia GeForce GTX770 graphics card (2GB, GDDR5)) with an EIZO calibrated monitor. I am a semi-professional (underwater) photographer, so take my laptop with me on the road all the time.

    So that took me back to thinking about the:
    XPS 13 – i7-6560U with the QHD+ screen, 16 GB RAM, 1TB PCIE SSD and the Intel IRIS Graphics (I can’t find the model number for it).

    The XPS 13 is a lot lighter (1.29kgs with touchscreen, vs the ~2kgs of the 15″). I have read a lot of reviews, but can’t find someone working on the XPS13 with the mentioned screen in Lightroom and Photoshop and see that it is fast enough without having the dedicated GPU…

    Can you make a good suggestion so I can order the best laptop for me?

    1. Just as a side note : I generally don’t change my machine very often, so am looking to buy a machine that will last me for at least 4-5 years, maybe even more.

  32. You did not mention the MSI laptop line … I wonder why…? they seem to be better built, more accessible for adaption and add-ons,/upgrades and seem to be the only line addressing the cooling system in a truly meaningful way. Any thoughts…?

  33. Is the 15.6 inch ASUS UX501VW-DS71T Zenbook worth $417.00 US more than the 15.6 inch HP Spectre 360 degrees – 15-ap018ca? I want this portable for post processing (photography). I have a great desk top setup!

    ASUS HP

    UHD monitor HD monitor
    16 GB of ram 8 GB of ram
    I7 processor I5 processor
    Thanks!

  34. Appositely great comments and really great advice on here ,, but when your working with fresh air and no money and trying to be a great photographer , it is a real struggle.

    So I am going to try and work with a HP Pavilion 17 . AMD Elite, A8
    17 inch ,
    16 GB Ram, (2 DIMM )
    AMD graphics, Radeon HD 8550G and up to 4206MB total Graphics memory.
    1 TB storage,
    1.2 to 3.1 GHz
    Quad cure , A8 5550M Accelerated Processor.
    HD screen ( nearly ) (1600x 900)

    So do you all think I am mad ? If any body has tried smellier ,I would love to hear from you .

  35. Richard Crowe email: richardpcrowe@gmail.com

    Thanks for this great article. It reinforces that I have bought the right computer for Photoshop Editing and for very-very light HD video projects (1-3 minute clips).

    I bought this from Costco for $1,399 plus tax and $15 shipping. Costco increases the Dell warranty to 24 months from date of purchase.

    Dell XPS 8900 Desktop
    Processor & Memory:
    • Intel® Core i7-6700K Processor 4.0GHz
    • 32GB DDR4 2133MHz RAM

    Drives:

    • 2TB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive + 256GB Solid State Drive
    • Blu-ray Player (Reads BRD, Writes to DVD/CD)

    Operating System:

    • Microsoft® Windows 10

    Graphics & Video:

    • 2GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 Graphics
    • Monitor Not Included – I have a perfectly adequate 27-inch monitor

    Communications:

    • Dell Wireless-AC 1560 + Bluetooth® 4.0
    • Integrated 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 Connector)

    Audio:

    • Integrated 7.1 with Waves MaxxAudio® Processing

    Keyboard & Mouse:

    • Dell Wired Multimedia Keyboard + Laser Mouse

    Ports & Slots:

    • 6x USB 3.0
    • 4x USB 2.0
    • 1x HDMI
    • 1x Multi-Media Card Reader
    • 1x 3-stack Audio jacks
    • Combination headphone / microphone jack

  36. If I do not do any video editing…only still photos….will using the AMD processor really be a problem?

    1. Author

      Not necessarily a problem to use and AMD CPU, no. Things will still work, but the software is tuned and runs smoother with Intel for sure.

  37. I have just one question. What purpose does a K model i7 have for photo editing? Is it necessary to be able to overclock? It seems a bit overkill but I’ve never built a rig for photo editing, only gaming.

  38. Jeff,

    I would appreciate your opinion regarding a computer upgrade. What I’d like to accomplish is having just one computer (a laptop) that can be used for serious hobby photo editing, along with web surfing and very light duty busuness work. I currently use only Lightroom, but can see that learning Photoshop could be an advantage going forward. My target outcome for photo editing is quality prints (produced by a professional printing company). I do not process large amounts of photographs at a time, I’m not under any time pressure when processing photos, and I don’t process on the go; all processing is done in my home office. I shoot mainly landscapes, and my objective is to produce quality prints. I own only one computer, but that eight year old Toshiba laptop, which I used for photo processing, finally died and I need another computer (or two?).

    My thought is to buy a laptop that is configured with a focus mainly on processing, and less focused on the display. This is because that when processing photos I would connect the laptop to a quality monitor (considering the Eizo CS2420). The laptop that is currently at the top of my list is the Dell XPS 15 with the non-touch display, but I’m completely open to other options.

    I’m not really opposed to having a cheap laptop for personal use (no photo processing duties), and also having a dedictated desktop and quality monitor used essentially only for photo processing. This is probably not as effective in terms of money spent, although having a dedicated desktop photo processing computer may just be a cost that is required to accomplish my goals.

    I’d appreciate your thoughts.

  39. Hi Jeff and everyone!

    Thank you thank you thank you!

    This was passed to me through an online photography class and FB group called SPS or Schultz Photo School. I run Lr on an old 2GB RAM PC windows 7, etc. Barely surviving in other words. I have about $1k to spend and I want a laptop, for the simple fact of editing anywhere, in my house I want. Battery power is not an issue for me since I’ll have it plugged in most of the time. I keep thinking of 32GB RAM on a desktop Vs 16 for laptop with the same budget but ultimately I don’t need 32GB and I want to sit at the kitchen table, or sofa, or basement lounge as well.

    Do you have “september 2016″ ideas for Laptop? I’m leaning towards buying from Costco for the fact of their extended 2 year warranty, but open to anything! I also may be partial to the 17” screen real estate since I’ll only carry it in my home mainly.

  40. In the process of research before upgrading my monitor, mainly to improve photo and video editing, I was frustrated by the over-abundance of reviews and pseudo-reviews of individual components without regard for the inter-dependencies among components. Yours was the first (and so far only) source I found that actually put the pieces together with this use case in mind. Thanks for a very helpful and informative piece. One of my main questions was whether to go with a monitor with WQHD vs 4K configuration, which you address specifically. Reiterating other reviews, thanks for a well thought out article.

    1. Author

      @Jim Hanna,

      So very glad it helped you. I have plans to refresh the article fairly soon, but the advice there hasn’t changed it will only be the specific models of the laptops and desktops available today.

  41. Hi Jeff, thanks for the amazing article. I’m just getting into photo editing, and looking at buying a Dell inspiron i7559 laptop. It’s on sale and has amazing specs for the money. After much research it’s the best deal I could find that meets all your recommendations. My question – it comes with an IPS UHD/4K screen. Because of the sale, it’s actually cheaper than the equivalent FHD model. Is there any reason NOT to go with the 4K screen? I understand that on a 15″ screen 4K is pointless, but would it be detrimental in any way? The 4K screen reportedly has better colour reproduction (90% sRGB) than the FHD model. Thanks so much.

  42. Great article. Very informative. Ordering the Acer E15 with the i7 and will upgrade the RAM to 16gb.

  43. Fantastically helpful article!

    As a result, we are currently considering the following for our photo edit computer:

    Dell XPS 8900 Desktop – Intel Core i7-6700 6th Generation Quad-Core Skylake up to 4.0 GHz, 32GB DDR4 Memory, 1TB SSD + 6TB Hard Drive, 4GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 960, DVD Burner, Windows 10 Professional

    =on Amazon for $1631.00

    Hope this will do the trick?

    THX

  44. These specs may be necessary if you use PhotoShop but I don’t think they are needed for LR use only. I use LR on a desktop with minimal specs and it runs smoothly. I recently upgraded to an SSD and have not seen much difference in performance even when working on batches of over 500 photos.

    Here are my desktop specs:
    CPU: AMD Athlon II x4 620
    RAM: GSkill 8GB 1066 dual channel DDR3
    nVidia GeForce GT 120 with 1 GB
    HDD0: 250 GB Crucial CT250BX (OS and Programs and LR Cache)
    HDD1: 1.5 TB Seagate Barracuda (User Profiles)
    HDD1: 2 TB WD MyPassport (USB 3) (Photo Storage)

    1. Author

      That’s interesting Osvaldo, because of the two Lightroom has proven to be significantly more demanding than Photoshop. Perhaps you are more patient than most…

  45. Sir, great article..
    Will you please recommend a suitable windows desktop for medium video editing. Iam a beginer film maker, from india, and my budget is around ₹45000(in US $700/$720). I’m so confused to get a right pc for my work. Please help me.

  46. Great article.
    Maybe needs updating as posted in October 2015 but still lots of good info.

  47. Jeff, your guidance and experience is communicated very well in this article. I appreciate your perspective and the thoughtfulness you brought to us consumers.

  48. Your article is superb ! Thank You very much !!

    I’m surprised You don’t (seem) to mention Adobe RGB Gamut – or color accuracy..?

    Now we are February 2017,
    and I’m considering investing for a new Laptop
    although I need to be convinced it will indeed bring effective huge difference to my actual
    Dell Precision M6600, 12gb Ram, quad-core 2.4GHz, 2x SSD :
    Lightroom is a total nightmare on this main PC of mine (with and without my Eizo CG275W monitor)
    that I use professionally for high-end photography ( I have tried EVERYTHING to improve Lightroom over many month, I use Lightroom since it’s beginning, professionally).
    May I deduce from Your above excellent work, that the following resume for what to look out for a top Laptop in 2017 could now read like this ? :

    Laptop for Lightroom (when portability and on battery-autonomy are NOT essential)
    combining “minimal” requests of

    1. Hard Drive
    (one or two) SSD 512GB (or 1tb)

    2. RAM (Memory)
    16GB (or more)

    3. CPU
    Intel Core-i7 (generation 5 or more) quad-core (more exists?)

    4. Graphics Processing (GPU)
    NVIDIA GeForce 2GB (or more) VRAM (more?)

    5. Ports
    DisplayPort (at least HDMI)
    (+USB-C, Thunderbolt 1/2/3, USB 3.0, )

    7. Display
    Mat WQXG possible (no-touch-screen needed !, and non-glossy !) possible ?

    100 % sRGB (color accuracy. ProPhoto colorspace?)

    ..
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    May I consider I got You correctly, could You revise this, please ?
    Such an updated, corrected super-short resume would be great for then to ask via Photographers – forums if any-one knows of such a beast (MSI, Acer, Dell,…), help to watch-out for such expectancies.

    What do You think ?

  49. Thank You so much for Your article !

    Could You please compose a very short but complete list
    resuming what we should ask from a Laptop,
    now in February 2017 ?

    ( I’ll then add that I don’t ask for shiny glossy.- nor touch-screen,
    portability and long battery-time autonomy not my priority, but Color trueness yes,
    with good connectivity for big high-quaity second monitor)

    That would be tremendous (for so many photographers) !!!

    Thank You in advance !

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